Forget about fooling Mother Nature, just ignoring her puts you at certain peril even when you're talking about an economy. So says this week's guest Jamie Brown Hanson, Ellen's daughter, an international researcher who studies bio-mimicry to understand how economic sustainability can be derived and adapted from ancient systems of nature: if systems don't conform to those laws, they ultimately die. Capitalism's demand for constant growth comes to mind. Later, on the Public Banking Report, new courses are being launched by the Public Banking Institute to teach people about the tenets and systems emerging within the New Economy – ones that are harmonious with Mother Nature's rules!